Romans 127
Questions
and Answers concerning the Godhead No. 2
Brian Kocourek
2 Timothy Chapter 3 Verse 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Let’s bow our hearts in prayer.
Dear Gracious Father we come to Thee this evening with hearts open for examination, because we have come to commune with Thee this Communion night. It is in reverence and fear that we approach Thee for you have told us through your vindicated Prophet William Branham that “One Word off is Satan’s Kingdom.” And we know Lord, that “unless the Lord build the house, they that build, buildeth in vain.” Keep us from adding our own thoughts to your Word, and help us to say only what you have said, for we ask it in Jesus Christ’s Name. You may be seated.
I would like to read three scriptures for our text as we shall take a short message tonight answering some questions concerning the Godhead.
Colossians Chapter 2 Verse
8 Beware
lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not
after Christ. Verse 9 For in
him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily. I do not know how
much more plain the Apostle Paul could be here. Notice he is telling us that in
Him (Christ) dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead (That’s speaking of God
Himself) in a bodily form. God dwelling in a body, IN Him, in the Son Christ Jesus, God
indwelling.
Romans Chapter 1 Verse 20 For the invisible things (Those things which are unseen or can not be seen with the natural eye) of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, (Seen not with the eyes, but with the heart they are seen thoroughly, perceived clearly, and), being understood by the things that are made (that means they are understood by His workmanship, His nature is expressed then in His Work), even his eternal power (that word is dunamis) and Godhead (Divine Nature); so that they are without excuse: That means what they do with it cannot be defended. Either they accept or they reject, but there are no excuses with God. Paul tells us here that the Power and Godhead or Godhood of God is clearly seen in the way He has brought about His Creation, and there is no excuse for people to not understand the nature of God, the WHO and what concerning God. Then if so, it is not such a mysterious thing after all, that people so want to make it. He said there is no excuse, it is inexcusable for people not to be able to see the very power and Nature of God by His workmanship. It is only mysterious to those who have closed their eyes to the Truth. But the Godhead is clearly seen. Then why so much debate over the Godhead? Why so much rejection over the True Doctrine of the Godhead as William Branham vindicated Prophet of God brought forth.
You know they would tell him, “You sure don’t know your Bible”, and he would respond, But I know the Author real well!, and they could not deny that he like no man living for the past 2,000 years had a working relationship with God. He knew God in a way that no one else knew God. Then why would they question his understanding of the Godhead? I believe the reason they would challenge a vindicated prophet of God is because they do not believe what is so apparent that there are no excuses not to believe. Knowing there are no excuses, they then challenge that which is clearly seen, and deny it altogether.
Acts Chapter 17 Verse 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. The word device means thinking, consideration, or thoughts, so we see the Apostle Paul telling us here that we are not to use our own reasoning ability to understand the Godhood, for God has already made it plain to us through the things he has created and the fact that we are His offspring, and thus His children. What he is telling us here is that when we think of God, our thoughts should be as children considering the desires of our Father and as obedient children, responding as He would so desire for us to respond.
As you may recall last week we examined two
questions concerning the Godhead, which were:
Question 1: How can
brother Branham say Jesus was a dual person when Jesus Himself said “I and My Father are
One”, and “when you see me you see the
Father”?
Question 2) What
about quotes where brother Branham said that Jesus and God were one, but not in
the same way as a husband and wife are one. How does that fit then with what
you are saying?
Notice that brother Branham points out that
we are not talking about two physical being like a man and wife are two physical
beings. But he explained that there is one that was a man, and we know to be a
man you must have body, soul and spirit. But in that man that was fully man,
indwelt the God, the Father, who is Spirit. Thus making them
one by the indwelling. But notice in this next quote how brother Branham
is more specific and shows that the oneness of God and His Son is not like
Husband and wife and He is more clear as to why it is different.
Baptism Of the Holy Spirit 58-0928M 94 Jesus, He said, "I and My Father are One. My Father dwelleth in Me." No one could read
that any plainer. They said, "Why don't You show us the Father, and it'll satisfy us." John 14:8. He said, "I've been so
long with you and you don't know Me?" He said, "When
you see Me, you see My Father." As a lady once jumped up, she said, "Why,
Brother Branham," she said, "the Father and
the Son are one, just like you and your wife are one." I said, "Oh,
no they're not." I said, "Do you see me?" She said,
"Yes." I said, "You see my wife?" Said,
"No." I said, "Then
they're not the same kind of one. Jesus said, 'When you've see Me, you have seen the Father.
The Father dwelleth in
Now this leads us to Question 3) What about
where brother Branham said that Jehovah was born over a manure pile? What
about it? God was never born? If He was born he had to have a beginning. If you
examine that quote carefully you will find that brother Branham said, “Little
Jehovah” born over a manure pile.
IDENTIFICATION 63-0123
E-23
Now therefore, His loving character of love, oh, for us, it makes plain John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He
gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish,
but would have Eternal Life." God, projecting Himself, and become man that He
might have upon Him the form of His creation. In other words He changed
His tent. He spread it amongst human beings. And the infant Jehovah, crying in
a manger, could you imagine it? It ought to alarm the hearts of believers. And
that was all done... Could you imagine Jehovah, being a baby in a manger, in a stable of
manure? Could you imagine that? Could you imagine little
Jehovah playing as a boy? It's an example. Could you imagine Him as a
teenager? Could you imagine in the carpenter's shop? And could you imagine Him in
such complete obedience to God, dying on a cross to redeem His fallen
creation? That's the kind of a love that God had. And He had to become that in
order to die, to hold the sting of death.
Now, if you think he is talking about Jehovah
God is the one born, then how could he speak of this one and say, you imagine Him in
such complete obedience to God. Do we have Two God’s Now? I don’t think so. He is talking
about John
Now, the Body was both God’s Body and He also
loaned it to His Son. They shared the same body, and that is the key to
understanding the Godhead. Jesus was not the fullness of the Godhead, but IN
Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead.
Show us the Father/ 60-0731 "GOD is a SPIRIT. He had no hands till HE become JESUS. He had no feet,
arms, legs and so forth, till He become JESUS... HE come
to a stable, borned over a manure pile. And Little
JEHOVAH crying in a manger, little JEHOVAH playing as a boy, little
JEHOVAH toiling as a man, He crossed His cast with us. GOD
BECOME HUMAN. When JESUS CHRIST was born, GOD was HUMAN on earth... He
toiled and labored and felt for the teen-ager. HE went through every temptation
that we go through. GOD DID IT, that He might do His own judgment
justice."
WHEN THEIR EYES WERE OPENED 64-0416 E-14 He was a man when He died on
the cross crying for mercy; He was a man. But when He broke the seals of death,
hell, and the grave, rose up on the third day, He proved He was more than a
man. He was God in a man. No wonder every man that’s ever
amounted to anything believed that. All poets and everything that’s ever
amounted to anything believes that. That’s right. He
was more than a man; He was God. Now, God in His own Son built a
body that He lived in, tabernacled,
changed His strength. Just think, Jehovah laying in a
manger over a manure pile in a barn, crying like a little baby. Those little
baby hands, little Jehovah, coming down and in-veiled Himself in
that form. Look at the Jehovah out playing as a teenage boy. Look at Jehovah
building in a carpenter shop, Jehovah hanging on the cross. Then when He rose
up, He proved He was Jehovah. That’s right. God in Christ,
reconciling the world to Himself... He was more than a philosopher; He was more
than a prophet. He was Emmanuel.
Question 4) What
about Isaiah 9:6. This tells us the one born is
the everlasting Father, and the Almighty God. Does it? Let’s read it thought by thought. ISAIAH
9:6 For unto us a child is
born, Now, if the child is born it has a beginning. Then how can it
have a beginning and be the everlasting Father. William Branham said he cannot
be His own Father, so we have an oxymoron here, but let’s read on, “unto us a son is
given:” Now, if this Son is given, then someone greater had to give
Him, and who could that be? We find our answer in John
“and his name shall be
called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The
everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Notice it does not say he is, but His name shall be called, and that is
very significant because Jesus said I come in My Father’s name. JOHN
Question # 5) I always thought that God died for our sins. How does 1 JOHN
Answer: The body of Jesus was created by God in the womb of Mary. The Bible tells
us, “A Body hast
thou prepared me. ”All the DNA come from God. In essence then we
could say that body was God’s body, and yet it also housed another person, the
person of His Son, Jesus Christ the Son of God. In Hebrews
Chapter 10 Verse 5 we read, Wherefore when he
cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for
sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I
come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God.
Now, who came
to do the Will of God the Father who is the Creator of all things? Of course it
was the Son of God. What those who use
this Scripture try to say in their use of it, is that God died. But it is
impossible for God to Die. We have many Scriptures and many quotes that tell us
other wise. It was the Son of God who died.
1 Timothy Chapter 1 Verse 17 Now unto The
King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, The only Wise God, be honour and glory
for ever and ever. Amen. Notice
then the attributes of God, Eternal, Immortal Invisible, King.
If he is Invisible it is because He is Spirit. The body that died on the cross
was not Spirit. God is Spirit. The body
was not deity, but deity dwelt in the body. I know you can find quotes that
tell us the body was God, and yet there are many more that tell us the Body was
not God. So what are you going to do with it. If you
do not understand what brother Branham was saying, then you will be constantly
back and forth in your belief of God. But if you truly understand, it does not
shake you because if you look at all those quotes that say things like the Body
was God, you will find him correct that by saying, God dwelt in that body.
Now, they will
say, Brother Branham believed that Jesus
Christ is God Himself: And they
will use the following quote as the basis for their statement. "JESUS was GOD in the form of a man.
That's hard for people to swallow.. He wasn't nothing
less than God. He was GOD manifested in FLESH. He was the Creator in His own
creation."
(God's
Gift Always Find Their Places/63-1222) If you notice that brother Branham
said God in the form and God manifested IN flesh, and the Creator IN His
creation. That does not make the creation God? But simply tells us God was IN
Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
Then they use another quote, "I believe HIM
to be GOD: Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever. That He wasn't
just a prophet, that He wasn't just a man, that He wasn't just a teacher or a
good man, HE was the DIVINE JEHOVAH GOD living in a BODY of Flesh." Who Is This?/59-1004. Now that quote is exactly how we teach it, but
they just don’t get it. We believe that when You saw Jesus the Son of God, the
Body, that you were looking at God, for that body was the only manifestation of
God’s fullness to man. Jesus said, when you see the body, you see God because I
and my Father are one in the sense that His Word is living in me and I in Him,
and the Son can of Himself do nothing, but what the Father doeth, that the Son
doeth likewise.
Another
statement they will teach is they say, Brother Branham believed that the BODY of
JESUS was GOD: And yet there are dozens of quotes that brother Branham told
us that the Body was not God, was not deity, but deity dwelt in the body.
Here is the quote they use…"That's exactly what HE was.
"We handled God," the Bible said. 1 Timothy
The Token/64-0308. Again it is just a matter of not
wanting to read what the Prophet of God is saying, because right in this quote
he tells us, God manifested IN flesh, and God IN the form of human… God IN, God
IN, God IN, but they for some reason cannot read those two little letters IN.
Again they say that Brother Branham believed that JESUS is the very PERSON of GOD: and they use the following quote as their evidence. "So you see, JESUS was GOD. He was not NO third person, fourth person, second person, HE was THE PERSON, HE was GOD, see? He was GOD Immanuel, God come down from glory, revealed Himself." God's Gift Always Find Their Places/63-1222. Now, if he tells us that He was God Immanuel, then that tells us that it was God in Flesh, for that is what the word Emmanuel means. Then brother Branham sings down from His Glory and finishes this quote by saying, “and all God’s fullness dwelleth in Him, that’s the One met the requirement.”
Again
they teach that Brother Branham
believed that GOD DIED in His SONSHIP FORM: And I have no problem with the quote they
use, because the Sonship form is what died, not God
Himself dying. "GOD veiled in JESUS to do the
work of REDEMPTION at the cross... GOD could NOT DIE in the SPIRIT; He's
ETERNAL. But HE had to put on a MASK and ACT the part of death. HE DID DIE, but
He couldn't do it in His God FORM. He had to do it in SON form, as a Son of Man on
earth." Unveiling of God/ 64-0614m. This
quote tells us that the form died, not God Himself, for God is spirit. But they
can not understand this, so they believe this quote tells us that God Himself
Who is Spirit actually died.
Another quote they use is this…"Your BODY has to LIVE by DEAD SUBSTANCE for natural
life, then you've got to have something DIE
SPIRITUALLY to SAVE your SPIRITUAL LIFE. And GOD BECAME MATERIAL, FLESH, and
DIED that WE MIGHT LIVE." Anointed Ones at the end Time pp 27 Now,
by not understanding that God was IN Christ, they do not understand this quote
and therefore, they elude that God Himself died, which is impossible for God to
die.
Then they teach that Brother Branham believed that GOD is the Soul, Spirit and Body of JESUS: And use this quote to establish that doctrine. "But the first thing YOU ARE a TRIUNE BEING, just like Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Father, Son and Holy Ghost is THREE TITLES going to ONE PERSON, which is JESUS CHRIST. And YOU'RE soul, body and spirit. But it takes THOSE THREE to MAKE YOU. With just ONE of them, you're NOT YOU. IT takes THREE to make YOU.. YOU'RE living in a HOUSE - SOUL, BODY and SPIRIT. THAT'S THE WAY GOD LIVED in JESUS CHRIST, both SOUL, BODY and SPIRIT." Inner Veil/ 56-0121. Now, how does that quote fit in the way we believe he said it. Well, the body certainly belonged to God because God brought it forth. But God shared that body with His Son. And God’s Own Soul which is His individual being also dwelt in that Body, and God’s Spirit which is His Life did as well. That does not mean that the body was God, and neither does that do away with the duality of God was IN Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
They also do not understand Who Melchisedec was and will throw away
almost 100 quotes and hold onto one that appears to say that Brother Branham
believed that MELCHISEDEC was JESUS Himself: "Now, MELCHISEDEC, the King of Salem, the Priest of the Most High,
the King of Peace, which was NONE OTHER THAN THE FOREPART of the LORD
JESUS CHRIST, and when HE met Abraham, He fed Abraham the COMMUNION and blessed
him.. WHO WAS THIS PRIEST? NONE OTHER THAN THE INCARNATED
LORD JESUS CHRIST. In His magnificent power He was the same ONE a
LITTLE LATER ON, after HE met Abraham, and gave him, as being a COVENANT
PEOPLE, the COMMUNION." Melchisedec the Great Prince/ 55-0109m
Now, this attempt to make Melchisedec the Son of God is almost
hilarious how they will take nearly 100 quotes that Brother Branham says He is
not the Son and try to identify him as the Son
Jesus. It just goes to show that they do
not know what Jesus Brother Branham was speaking of.
Now, just for the record, let me read you several statements that Brother Branham says concerning Who Melchisedec was.
HEBREWS
CHAPTER 7, PT. 1 57-0915E 291-20 Who
could He be? Now, He was the King of righteousness, the King of
291-22 Now, let's see, get His genealogy a little
further, to see where we're going. Without father,...
(Now, Jesus had a Father. You believe that? Sure He was.)... without
mother,... (Jesus had a mother, but this Fellow had neither father nor
mother.)... without descent,... (He never had anyone
that He come off of, any descent. He always was.)... without descent, having neither beginning of days,... (He
never had any time He ever started.)... nor the end of
life;... (It could been nothing else but God. That's all It could be.)
292-23 Now, now if you'll
notice, as we read the next verse. See? First, being by interpretation, King of
righteousness... (That's not where I want to do. The--the 3rd
verse.) ... nor end of life; but made like
unto the Son of God;... (Now, He was not
the Son of God. For if He was
the Son, He had a beginning, and this Man had no
beginning. If He was a Son, He had to have both father and mother. And
this Man had neither father nor mother, but He was made like unto the Son of
God.)... And this Man was without father, without mother, without
beginning of days or ending of life. …..Who this was, this was Jehovah!
This was Almighty God Himself. It could be no other.
292-25
there's a difference between God and Jesus, Jesus had a beginning; God had
no beginning; Melchisedec had no beginning; and Jesus had a beginning. But
Jesus was made likened unto Him.
HEBREWS
CHAPTER 7 PT.1 57-0915E 305-93 He wasn't the Son of God; He was the God
of the Son. He wasn't the Son of God (Melchisedec wasn't), but He was
the Father of the Son of God.
From HEBREWS
CHAPTER 7, PT. 1 57-0915E
309-118 The Son of God had
a beginning of time and an ending of time; He didn't. Who was that? That was
the Father of the Son. That's Who it was.
HEBREWS
CHAPTER 7, PT.
2 57-0922 341-306 And this Melchisedec was not Jesus, for He was God. And
what made Jesus and God different, that... Jesus was the Tabernacle that God
dwelt in.
WHY
CRY SPEAK 59-1004E E-48 God is a
Spirit. Jesus was the body that the Spirit of God dwelled in, made Him
Emmanuel, God, tabernacled on earth. He was God. Jesus Christ was God, yet He was the Son of
God. His flesh was the Son of God 'cause God created it, but inside He was God. "It's not Me,"
said Jesus, "does the works, it's My Father that dwelleth in Me. And that
day you'll know that I'm in the Father, the Father in Me, I in you, and you in Me." There you are.
SHALOM 64-0112 75 When Melchisedec met Abraham from the
slaughter of the kings, he was the King of
TRIAL THE 64-0419 74 Jesus said, "As it was in the days of
WHO IS THIS
MELCHISEDEC 65-0221E
64 He was at the beginning the Word, an "En
morphe" body. He came in and lived in that in
the Person of Melchisedec. Then later... We never
heard no more of Melchisedec, because He became
Jesus Christ. Melchisedec was the Priest, but He became Jesus Christ.
Now, you bypassed that, because in that form He knew all things.
Now, the question must arise, "how did He become Jesus
Christ"? And the answer is simple, By indwelling
His Son just as He indwelled Melchisedec".
WHO IS THIS
MELCHISEDEC 65-0221E
95 Now, the true revelation of Melchisedec
comes into view was--that He was God, the Word, before He became flesh, God
the Word. 'Cause He had to be; no one else could be immortal like Him. See,
I had father and mother; you did too. Jesus
had father and mother. But this Man had no father or had no mother. Jesus
had a time He started; this Man didn't. Jesus gave His life; this Man couldn't,
because He was Life. And it's the self same Man all the time.
WHO IS THIS
MELCHISEDEC 65-0221E 109 Who is this Melchisedec but God?
If Brother Branham keeps telling us that Melchisedec was not
the Son, but He was the Father of the Son, and if He throughout His ministry
kept telling us that Melchisedec was not Jesus, and then turns around and calls
Him God and then here he calls Him Jesus, then we must ask ourselves which
Jesus is He talking about. Jesus came in His Fathers name, and if that be so
then the name of the Father is also Jesus. And if this is True, which it is,
then this Jesus He is speaking of here is the Father as well.
And then they say, Brother Branham said that you have to believe these things to get the REVELATION of WHO GOD really is: as thought the way they teach it is correct which I find almost humorous if it wasn’t for the fact that these people are actually fighting the True Message Doctrine. "If people CAN'T SEE the TRUTH of the GODHEAD, but FIGHT it; they can't ever see the rest of the TRUTH because the REVELATION is JESUS CHRIST in HIS CHURCH and HIS works in the MIDST of the Church Ages." Seven Church Age Book/ pp. 309
One thing I
find quite amusing is they will use the Church age Book written by Lee Vayle to
fight what Lee teaches concerning the Godhead. But they also use the words of
William Branham to teach contrary to what he taught, and they use the Bible to
teach contrary to what the Bible teaches. That just means they have no word of
their own. Just like Lucifer has no word of his own. So they have to use the
right Word and pervert it to given them their own word.
Acts Chapter 4
Verse 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him
doth this man stand here before you whole. And this does not tell us
that God is here raising up Himself from the dead.
Acts Chapter 2 Verse 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. And if God made him Lord and Christ, then He wasn’t
Lord nor was He Christ before God making Him so.
Let’s bow our heads
and hearts in prayer…