Spoken Word no
42
Q & A 44
Discourse on CAB marriage and Divorce
Brian
Kocourek, Pastor
Sunday afternoon
I received an email from a Pastor in
Foreign
Pastor, if you listen to this sermon, I am giving you my comments to your
statements in this sermon. As you know, I have had a very close relationship
with Brother Vayle and since he has been my mentor for 30 of the 32 I have
known him, I feel that I can perhaps help you with an insiders understanding of
how the Church Age Book was written.
As Luke said
in his Gospel, “Forasmuch
as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things
which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as
they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of
all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, 4 That
thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been
instructed.”
And believe
me, brothers and sisters. There is a gross error being taught in the Message
today, and that is that the Church Age Book was brother Vayle’s Book. It was
not brother Vayle’s Book, it was brother Branham’s book. It was spoken by
brother Branham, and it was edited by brother Branham.
Now, to
answer your questions that you have asked, I will leave your comments in Violet
to distinguish them from my own words which I will be using normal black which
is normal print color. The Bible verses will be represented in Red representing
the blood of Jesus Christ, and those of Brother Branham in Blue since Blue
represents trueness as taught by William Branham. Those are the color schemes
for all my sermons as well. Pastor Brian Kocourek
Foreign Pastor States: Discourse
on the
I
am delighted that you can represent Brother Lee Vayle in doctrinal issues
concerning the 7 church age book (C.A.B.)
in a friendly discourse between both of us. As you indicated in your letter
dated 02-08-08 this subject has been long outstanding amongst message believers
and ministers one of our editors contacted Dr. Vayle on the subject of the
Baptism of the Holy Ghost and new birth, several years ago. His answer by
telephone was vague and suggestive. He referred us to you as his
representative, but we never pursued that option until this time when you sought to defend Dr. Vayle by my
correction to his doctrine on the seventh seal/seven thunders. We also
noticed on Q. & A. on your website that Dr. Vayle authorised you to answer
all questions and to solicit his help if the need arises. I wish that you will
contact Dr. Vayle on the issues that I would raise since he is the author of
the - C.A.B. End
of Foreign Pastor Statement:
Pastor Kocourek response: Now, I would just like to stop here for a
moment and reiterate that this is where they begin their error, in assuming
that brother Vayle was the author of the Church Age Book. He was not the
author, he was a writer who transcribed brother Branham’s words, and then
grammarized them to make them read more clearly. Brother Vayle took brother
Branham’s sermon on the Church Ages, and he was commissioned by brother Branham
to write the book, to grammarize it. But he was not the author nor was he the
finisher of that book. Brother Branham was the author, editor and finisher of
that Book. And actually he thought to do the book almost 6 years before he
actually preached the series in 1960. In 1954 brother Branham first spoke the
sermon the seven church ages, and at that time he wished to put it in book form
but felt limited in his grammar to do so effectively. Now, that book continues
to be the most sought after book in the message and has been since it was first
published. End of Pastor Kocourek
response.
Foreign Pastor States: My humble request is that we keep our discussions in the written
Word of God, backed up by the message of Malachi 4:5-6, and also laying aside
popular and personal opinions, even as you published on your website:
“Quote Pastor
Kocourek: “Therefore, all answers that I give will either come from Scripture or
words from Brother Branham and I will not give you my own opinion unless that
opinion can be backed up solidly by Scripture and God’s End-Time prophet
William Branham. To answer your questions correctly I can not have an opinion
of my own. My opinion must be either what God said through His Son or through
His servant William Branham. Now, if any listening to this tape have a problem
with that, then that is your problem. I know that I will give an account to God
for my Words, and I just hope you know that you will one day give an account to
God for yours as well.” (Questions And Answers no. 1 Why do so many misunderstand the Message?). ”
Well
spoken Pastor Kocourek. I stand just the same on those principles. I trust that you will be faithful to your published
policy
Our
communication for the past years has
been one of a Christian-like spirit of love and respect. I endeavour to
maintain this same spirit in our discourse, as I do not get into arguments on
doctrinal matters, though I stand very firm on the truth and exposition of
heresies, reproving and rebuking with all longsuffering and doctrine (2 Timothy
4: 2).
I
am addressing you and Dr. Vayle to defend my refutations on the above subjects,
seeing that you are representing Dr. Vayle’s ministry by his authority.
Some
have rejected the entire book as unscriptural and not the authentic teachings
of the prophet, and others believe all that were documented are the teachings
of the prophet. End
of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek responds: Foreign
Pastor, those who would ascribe the Seven
Church Age Book as unscriptural and not the authentic teachings of William
Branham are ignorant of the facts concerning the writing of the book
itself. There is even one International
minister who will lie and say that brother Branham told him to burn the book. I
have heard this lie first hand from this brother and I know he does not tell
the truth, but has set forth to try to destroy the Church Age Book even as he
has tried to destroy the Branham family and brother Branham’s ministry as well,
all the while making millions of dollars from selling brother Branham’s books
and tapes.
Now, Brother Willard
Collins, pastor of the Branham Tabernacle in
I
make myself absolutely clear that I am not challenging or correcting any error on
the original church age teachings of Brother Branham, but defending his
revelation of the message. My discourse is solemnly based upon the errors
injected into the grammarized version of
the C.A.B. by Dr. Lee Vayle. It will be a lie for anyone to say or believe that
this discourse aims at correcting the prophet’s teaching. End of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor
Kocourek responds: Now Foreign Pastor, I do not say this to be mean
spirited, but since you think there are inconsistencies in the Church Age Book,
that only means you do not understand the doctrine itself. And since you are an
outsider and do not understand how the Church
Age Book was written, and how brother Branham edited every word in that book,
I will tell you how it was compiled so that your doubts may flee with some
inside knowledge.
First of all the Church Age book was not
brother Vayle’s Book, and Brother Vayle takes no credit with the contents of
the book. Brother Branham actually wanted to write it years before he even
spoke it. He spoke it so the people could have access to it sooner. He simply
did what brother Branham commissioned him to do and that was to grammarize it.
Therefore to grammarize the book, wording and sentence structure will be
changed some, but will not undo the doctrine itself, but can actually enhance
it to make it more clear. That is brother Branham’s book. He spoke it, brother
Vayle wrote what brother Branham spoke, then brother Branham edited everything written
in that book and thoroughly reviewed it several times as well. So if you want
to take umbrage with it, you will have to do so with brother Branham on the
other side.
Secondly the Church Age Book was written, a
section at a time, and brother Branham went through each section with brother
Sothman and some others who were present as witnesses to his editing of the
book. As brother Branham read each paragraph, he marked up any words that he
felt should be altered to best fit his understanding. He inserted words like
any editor would do, and deleted those things which he did not feel were
exactly as he wanted it to read.
Word by Word he read it quite a few times, and edited
what he wanted in or out of it. Then he would comment to brother Vayle to add
this or that to a particular section here or there.
Here is a quote from brother
Branham in 1965 talking about how he and brother Vayle worked on the Church Age
book together. Doors in door 65-0206 P:14 Now, does anyone in here know Doctor Lee Vayle? I
don't think... Maybe not. He was a
Baptist preacher, Doctor of Divinity, and he's got his degrees. He was a high
school teacher to begin with, and he's a very fine, scholarly man. (I would just like to insert here
that Lee Vayle did not have a Doctor of Divinity from any bible school. He had
been a school teacher and back in those days all that took was a few weeks post
high school and a test to do so. He received his title of Doctor of Divinity
from Br. Branham himself.) And my tapes of "The
Foreign Pastor, notice that brother Branham said he
sent brother Vayle his tapes to grammarize. Notice also that after he
grammarized each section he would send it to brother Branham and it went back
and forth a couple times where brother Branham would make edits and comments to
be inserted in the text.
Again brother Branham said
in August of 1964, from Questions and answers COD
64-0823E P:139 My Brother Jackson returns
now, way back down into
Now, for those who say he inserted his own words, is
to contradict what the prophet of God said himself, when he said Br. Vayle putting every word that I say down…So who are we going to believe, men who would fuss
with the doctrine in that book that was totally controlled by the prophet of
God, or the prophet of God himself.
Again we see in his sermon Proving His Word 64-0816 P:23 brother Branham
calling out for br. Vayle in this service to communicate to him to add some
other things to the book before printing. “Is Dr. Lee Vayle in this morning? I wanted to ask if
Dr. Lee Vayle... Are you here, Brother Vayle? Raise up your hand if you are. Is
he in the back? All right, thank you, Brother Roy. And I want you to be sure to check those notes, Brother Vayle. You're
somewhere in the crowds back there; I can't see, or in the hall. We have to
watch, can't let too many stand, the fire marshal won't let us do that (You
see?), and so we are... I want you to
check my revelation on Serpent's Seed, to be injected into the first,
Notice the date of this sermon, 1964
right before the publication of the book, and notice that brother Branham is
asking Br. Vayle to add some notes that he gave to brother Vayle about the
serpent seed and place them in the Ephesian Church Age where the Serpent seed
is talked about. This should show that there were still items being given to
Brother Vayle for publishing way after the original series was preached in
1960.
There are other examples on tape,
but you can look those up yourself. Now, I have given you three quotes here
from brother Branham saying that brother Vayle wrote only what he brother
Branham had said. To me and anyone who is looking at these quotes with a fair
and balanced mind, it shows that brother Branham was on top of everything being
written in Church Age Book. End of Pastor
Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states: I
firmly declare that the revelation of the seven church age given to Malachi 4:
5-6 is “Thus saith the Lord”, but that does not include all the errors that
were injected into the grammerized version of the seven church age book. End of Foreign Pastor
statement.
Pastor Kocourek Responds:
I
hope by now, brother A Foreign Pastor that you can see by the quotes themselves
and the testimonies of others written (by Sister Rebeccah Branham Smith,
daughter of Brother Branham in her hand article, “whose book is it” concerning
the Church Age Book, as well as the video testimony of Rev. Willard Collins, Pastor
of the Branham Tabernacle, Jeffersonville Indiana, as well as the spoken testimony
of Sydney Jackson, as well as my conversation with brother Collins in 1979,
that brother Branham spoke what was in that book on tape and in person to Br.
Vayle via personal audio tapes and written communications. Brother Vayle was
commissioned by Brother Branham to write down his words and grammarize them for
a better reading, and then brother Branham had the final edit of the book
itself, and he took total responsibility for everything in the Church Age Book, If you can not see that by now, we need to
end our discourse for you are not listening or reading this discourse with an
open mind, but with a mind already poisoned by your own or some else’s
opinions. However for the sake of others who may have a sincere desire to know,
I shall endeavour to finish our discourse on the next the first of the three items
you have brought to my attention to show how far off basis your thinking was
based on your false assumption that brother Branham was not the author of his
own book. Proving that William Branham was the author of his own Church Age
Book nullifies all your questions unless you are so base as to openly challenge
this Vindicated Prophet of God. Further more, knowing that your mind did not
see the doctrine correctly that you are challenging in Brother Branham’s Church
Age Book, it is now up to you to repent of your error and teach it the way it
is written in the Book and the Bible as I have shown you. End of Pastor Kocourek Response:
Foreign Pastor states: At this
present time I will address three major, unscriptural, doctrines which were
injected into the C.A.B. by Dr. Vayle, based on the subjects of:
1) Marriage and divorce (C.A.B. page 104).
2) The New Birth and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost are one and
the same (C.A.B. page 139-
148) with various
other related subjects.
3) Seven thunders to be
revealed by Malachi 4: 5-6 (C.A.B. page 325).
ERROR # 1
-- MARRIAGE & DIVORCE-c.a.b. page 104
Quotes Dr.
Lee Vayle from Church
Ages Book: 104-1 ...people ask me,
"If Eve fell that way, what did Adam do, for God lays the blame on
Adam?"... Now the Word teaches us
that if a woman leaves her husband and goes with another man she is an
adultress and is no longer married
and the husband is not to take her back.
That Word was true in
Brother Vayle is dealing with a very scriptural question. That is,
if Eve committed adultery in the Garden of Eden, and that was the forbidden
fruit then what was the sin of Adam? His indication is that Adam also committed
adultery with his own wife. End of Foreign Pastor statement:
Pastor Kocourek responds: First of all Foreign Pastor, I must say your
language is quite stinging, and very strong and accusatorial for one who says
that he wishes to communicate with Christian love and respect. You might want
to study up on what love and respect are before you commit to doing this
discourse with love and respect. One who loves and respects uses words that
intone a desire to come together for a better meeting of the minds, that you
might understand certain things that may not be clear to you at this present
time. Love covers a multitude of sin, and never accuses.
1 Corinthians
13:4 KJV Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not
itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily
provoked, thinketh no evil;6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but
rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth
all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
NIV 1 Corinthians 13: 4
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude,
it is not self-seeking, it is not easily
angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the
truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes,
always perseveres.
Secondly, Since
Love is not rude,
and love is not self seeking, and love keeps no records of wrongs, I would
suggest in the future you might avoid words that provoke, are rude, self
seeking, and not kind. Such as your accusations that the Church Book is in error, mislocated, dislocated, and etc.
Brother Branham said himself in his sermon, Demonology 2 Religious 53-0609 P:55 Now, then the Urim Thummim today is this Bible. If somebody
has give a prophecy or a dream, and it don't compare or echo with God's Bible,
it's false; don't believe it. A man come to me not long ago from
Now, to get
down to business Foreign Pastor, you
stated, “brother Vayle indicated that Adam also
committed adultery with his own wife.” Now, to get that out of what was written in
the Church Age book by Brother Branham himself, shows that you are not reading
it to learn but to find fault, and to read that you have to be assuming, and of
course your assumptions are wrong. You assume this says that the sin of Adam was
committing adultery with his own wife, but that is not what was said at all. A
man can not commit adultery with his own wife. Sin is unbelief, sin is the
transgression of God’s Law. Therefore, Adam wilfully disobeyed God. He was told
not to do a certain thing and he did it anyway, therefore his sin was not
adultery, but his sin was disobedience to God.
Romans
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.
Hebrews 2: 2 For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and
every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
1 Timothy 2: 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being
deceived was in the transgression.
Romans
In the following several
quotes from Brother Branham we see him say the same thing as Paul did in
Scripture. Perfection 57-0419 P:5 Now, in the garden of Eden... God had Adam and Eve in
the garden and they sinned and transgressed the laws of God by sinning, disobedience. And when transgression
comes, disobedience is the transgression
of the law. And the law of God, Him being holy, just unadulterated holy,
therefore no spot of unholiness can ever stand in His Presence. So if sin came
in the world by transgression, then sin must be dealt with before the sinner
can ever stand in the Presence of God.
Fellowship 56-0212 P:55 And I see Eve and Adam standing there, heard their
sentence of death pronounced upon them, and the tears running down Adam's
cheeks and dropping off onto Eve's head, and her with her little head laying
over on his shoulder, and they had to depart out of the Presence of God,
standing there wrapped in those old bloody sheepskins. And as they started out
of the garden in the Presence of God, I can hear them old sheepskins flapping
together on their legs like that, as they went out. God, the Father, looking
down and seeing His children being turned out like that because of disobedience, He stopped and He couldn't stand it. He
said, "I'll enmity between her seed and--and the serpent's seed; and his
head will bruise her heel, and her heel shall bruise his head," promising
a Deliverer. End of Pastor
Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states:
I am saying that the teaching and explanation that he gave on the subject,
cannot be supported by the Word of God. The scripture that he indicated to
support his case does not support it. He dislocated,
misplaced and misinterpreted the word of God which the prophet commanded us
not to do. {Ref. Pg. 72 Christ Revealed In His Own Word 65-0822m}. I will
address this error under 3 sections: A-B-C.
A. If a woman
leaves her husband and goes with another man she is an adulteress and is no
longer married. End of Foreign Pastor
statement.
Pastor Kocourek responds:Foreign
Pastor, you are in error with scripture when you say the following. End of Pastor Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states: E.O.D.H. Answer: It
is unscriptural and erroneous to say that a woman is no longer married to her
husband if she commits adultery. Based upon Romans 7: 2 and I Corinthians 7:
39, she is bound to her husband as long as her husband liveth; not until she commits adultery.
Romans
7:2 <For
the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as
he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her]
husband.> End of Foreign
Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek responds: Foreign
Pastor, Like so many who claim to believe brother Branham and the Bible, you
are choosing to only read a part of what Paul was saying here. You can not take
only the part you choose, you must take it all. Read verse 3 my brother and you
will see what Paul is saying.
Romans
7:3 (Weymouth) This accounts for the fact that if during her husband's life she lives with another man, she will
be stigmatized as an adulteress; but that if her husband is dead she is no longer under the old
prohibition, and even though she marries again, she is not an adulteress. End of Pastor Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states: I Corinthians
Pastor Kocourek responds: Foreign Pastor, again I say if you had
read Romans 7: 3 it would have also answered your questions about 1 Corinthians 7:39 as it
does also with Romans 7:2.
Romans
7:3 (Amplified Bible) 3Accordingly, she will be held an adulteress if she unites herself to another man
while her husband lives. But if her husband dies, the marriage law no longer is
binding on her [she is free from that law]; and if she unites herself to
another man, she is not an adulteress. End of Pastor Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states: Dr. Vayle or Brother Kocourek, I demand that you quote one
scripture to support this erroneous, false teaching. Also show one quotation of
Brother Branham to support this error. End of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor
Kocourek responds: First of
all Foreign Pastor, your demanding does not show a spirit of love, nor
respect as you have agreed to do. But since that is the way you word your
statements, here is the explanation that you so desire.
First of all, as for the
statement that is made concerning the woman
that leaves her husband she separates herself from her husband, brother
Branham said that himself.
Flashing red light 63-0623E P:77 Look. Now, in Jude the 7th chapter again,
So if she is
cut
away from him, or separates herself from him then she is no longer married to him.
It does not take a writ of divorcement to do this, her own actions are what
caused it, and the writ of divorcement is just the piece of paper acknowledging
what is already obvious.
Also you will find in Romans 7 : 3 That Paul also says this as well. I
have posted 3 different translations of the same verse to help your
understanding of this matter. And since
Paul preached it, we know that Brother did so as well. Because brother Branham
did not teach anything that Paul did not teach.
Romans
7:3 KJV So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to (ginomai) another man, she shall be called an adulteress:
but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no
adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Now, the Greek word that was translated as “married to”
is the word ginomai and does not mean married to in the sense of an actual
ceremony, but means “united to” or “to be found with” or “be fulfilled with” in
reference to another man, other than her own husband.
Perhaps several other translations will help you to
see this more clearly.
Romans 7:3 (Amplified
Bible) 3Accordingly, she will be held an adulteress if she unites herself to another man
while her husband lives. But if her husband dies, the marriage law no longer is
binding on her [she is free from that law]; and if she unites herself to
another man, she is not an adulteress.
Romans 7:3 (Wycliffe
New Testament) 3 Therefore she shall be
called adulteress, if she be with
another man, while the husband liveth [Therefore living the man, she shall be
called adulteress, if she be with another man]; but if her husband is dead
[forsooth if her husband be dead], she is delivered from the law of the
husband, that she be not adulteress, if she be with another man.
Romans
7:3 (Weymouth) This accounts for the fact that if during her husband's life she lives with another man, she will
be stigmatized as an adulteress; but that if her husband is dead she is no longer under the old
prohibition, and even though she marries again, she is not an adulteress.
Now, this takes us to your next question, and that is whether or not a
husband is to take his wife back if she has left him for another man. End of Pastor Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states:
B: “The husband is not to
take her back”.
E.O.D.H. Answer: It
is unscriptural and erroneous to say that a man cannot take
back his wife if she commits adultery. If that is so, that annuls the Lord’s
teaching on forgiveness to our offenders. End
of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek response. My brother, how can you say not taking an
adulterous wife back annuls the Lord’s teaching on forgiveness. End of Pastor Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states:
It will also prove that Brother Branham taught us falsely. He was
right and you are wrong. Jesus told the adulterous woman: “…Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” (John 8: 11). Not
that you are no longer married and your husband cannot take you back.
Matthew 6:14-15 <For if ye
forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But
if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses.
Matthew
End
of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek
response. But show me where
Jesus told her to go back to her husband which she was living with in adultery.
When the people asked him about adultery he said it wasn’t so from the beginning.
In the beginning God made one man for one woman. Listen to what brother Branham
says.
Who do you say this is? 64-1227 P:5 We can forgive one
another, but we can't forget about it, because we are made different. But God
can forgive it and forget it. He can just wipe it out as though it never was.
See? Because He has access to that
Foreign
Pastor, would you allow a sex pervert who asked you for forgiveness for raping
your daughter to come stay in your home? Would you expose your wife and
daughters to such a person who has had a past with that kind of sin in his
life? The Bible said, that repentance requires fruits meet for repentance. I do not think you fully understand forgiveness
according to the Message or Scriptures. Jesus told the woman go and sin no more
less a worse thing come upon her. Her adultery was caused by her unbelief. So
now that she believes is it ok for her to go back and live in sin? My goodness Foreign
Pastor, what kind of Message are you teaching? End of Pastor Kocourek
response.
Foreign Pastor states: MY WIFE, I WOULD FORGIVE HER
Foreign Pastor quotes brother
Branham: Quote
W.M.B. 711-109 I'm
not true to my wife because I'm afraid she'd divorce me. I'm true to her
because I love her. There's no other woman in the world but her... If I done a
mistake and they thought I did something wrong, come to her, say, "Meda,
honey, I didn't mean to do that." She'd forgive me for it; I know she
would. I'd forgive her; I love her. But I'd forgive her; she'd forgive me. But
I wouldn't do it for nothing; I love her too much to do it. (Questions And
Answers 62-0527).
The prophet taught
forgiveness and said that he would forgive his wife and a man is at liberty to
do so. Dr. Vayle’s teaching is legalistic, unscriptural and contrary to the
teaching of W.M. Branham.
Now,
of course we know that was just a point the prophet of God was bringing. We did
not have an adulterous prophet; he was sealed with the Holy Ghost and the devil
could not break that seal. End of Foreign
Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek
response.
Why are we not a
denomination? 58-0927 P:52 Here the other day...
I'll stop on my subject just a minute if it's possible. I was reading in a
piece of Scripture where that a illegitimate child will not enter the
congregation of the Lord for fourteen generations. How many knows that? That's
right, Deuteronomy 23, an illegitimate child. If a woman is caught in the
field, that's away from the protection of man, and a man overcomes that woman,
that man will have to marry her. And regardless if she becomes a prostitute, he
has to live with her till he dies. And if
this woman marries him, pretending that she is a virgin, and she isn't, then
she can be killed for it. And if a man and a woman which are married, and
they bring forth a illegitimate child, that--the congregation of the Lord he'll
not enter to fourteen generations; and forty years is a generation, be four
hundred years before that seed ever gets out of Israel.
Questions and answers COD 59-0628E P:107 Now, we've got one more
and then that's all. Let's see.91. Brother Bill, what is the difference between
fornications and adultery, Matthew 19:9?Jesus said in Matthew 19:9,
"Whosoever putteth away his wife and marries another, except it be for the
cause of fornications, commits adultery." The difference between
fornications and adultery, the word could be applied either way. But to make
it clear what he was talking of there, that--a woman that's unmarried cannot
commit adultery, because she has no husband to commit adultery against. It's
uncleanliness for her. She has to confess that to her husband before they are
married if she's did that. If not and her husband finds it out later, he has a
right to put her away, because she took a false vow. For the Bible said,
"Be it well..." or ritual says. "Be it well known to you (I have
it in mine) if any couples are joined otherwise than God's Word does allow,
their marriage is not lawful. I will require and will charge you both as you'll
surely answer in the day of judgment when the secrets of all hearts shall be
disclosed, if either of you know any impediment why you should not be lawful
joined together, do you now confess it." There you are. See? So
fornications is what a girl, when she lives unclean, that's fornication, 'cause
she has no husband. But when she's married, and then when she lives like that,
she commits adultery against her husband.
Invisible
union of the bride 65-1125 P:39 Now, she has a sacred...
One, I want to name three things here that she must not get away from. Now, I'm
speaking, keep the church in mind while I'm speaking this to the natural woman,
as Paul is here, in the 7th chapter of Romans. She has a sacred trust of virtue
committed to her by her Lord: a certain virtue. Nothing else holds it but a
woman. That's right. That's committed to her by God. She must not defile that
virtue. If she even does something wrong, she must confess that to her
husband before he takes her; and make it right. Just the same as the church
that was married to the law has to come also before Christ, before the second
marriage; she has to confess that. If she doesn't and she lives with her husband
for ten years and then confesses it, he has a right to put her away and marry
another woman. That's the Scripture. Fornication is unclean living.
"Joseph, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is
conceived in her if of the Holy Ghost." He was minded to put her away
privately (See?), after he'd already engaged to her. When you are engaged to
her, as far as God's concerned, you're married to her.
Questions
and answers COD 59-0628E P:108 A woman come not long
ago, and she said, "Oh, I've
confessed all that." She was nervous, and had a breakdown, and said,
"I confessed all that to God."
I said, "You have to confess it to your husband. It wasn't God that you
committed adultery against; it was your husband." That's right. And if
a man marries a woman and she has lived unclean before she marries him, and
then she comes to him, if they've been married ever so long, and then she
comes to him and says, "Honey, I want to tell you something. I did run out
with another man; I never told you," Jesus said he has a right to put
her away and marry another, because they're not married in the beginning,
'cause she falsely told a lie against him.
Now, the following quote is the one
people use to show that a man can remarry, but if you read it carefully, it
doesn't say for adultery.
Marriage
and divorce 65-0221M P:77 See, she's got a living husband, so no man can
marry her. Care what she does and who she is, she's got a living husband. There's no grounds for her at all. But it's not for him: causes her, not him.
Get it? You have to make the Word run in continuity. See? Nothing saying he
couldn't, but she can't. See? 'Causes her, not him. That's just exactly what
the Bible says. "Causes her..." It is not stated against him to
remarry, but her. Why? Christ in the type. Notice, it is stated that he cannot
remarry, only a virgin. He can remarry; he can marry, he can remarry again if
it's a virgin; but he can't marry somebody's else's wife. No, indeed. And if he does marry a divorced woman, he is
living in adultery; I don't care who he is. The Bible said, "Whosoever marries her that is put away,
liveth in adultery." There you are, not no divorcee. See that original
back yonder from the beginning now? Remarrying... Now notice, he can, but she
can't. Like David, like Solomon, like the continuity of the whole Bible.
But if you will read the paragraph
before he says it is only for the cause
of fornication, which I gave you quotes where that is before the marriage
she does the act without confessing to him before he marries her.
Note, let's read this here. I want to get
this to you. Matthew 5, Jesus spoke here of something that's really of a vital
importance. We want to see it. Matthew 5. I wrote on my--I marked out some of
the things I was going to say just to the men, so had quite a little time
saying it just before our sisters. But I want to--to go out here now before...
Now, sister, I want to put you into the place where God's Word promised you,
and you see then--you stay in that place too. Matthew 5:32. I want you to
notice here, to support this same idea of one and many. Matthew 30... I think
it's Matthew
Foreign Pastor states:
If Your husband
continues to want to live with you, that’s up to him.
Foreign Pastor Quotes W.M.B. 1014-86 You committed adultery against your husband. You went to your husband and cleared
yourself to your husband; then you went to the man and the husband and cleared
yourself there. You are clear. If your
husband continues to want to live with you, that's up to him. He don't have to
do it now, but if he wants to live with you and forgives you, then you be
lady enough to never be guilty of such a thing again.
(Questions and answers 64-0823E).
The
messenger is saying that if a man finds his wife in a fault, he could forgive
her and continue to let her be his wife, but he is not compelled to take her
back, that is up to him, that is his business. He could forgive the woman, he
could continue to live with her as a wife, Brother Branham said she should be
lady enough never to do that again. End
of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek response. Brother A Foreign Pastor, I do not have a
problem reconciling this quote with the other from the Church Age Book, and
when I counsel ministers around the world on this I never tell them what to do,
but I tell them to pray about it. Because a man has a perfect right to put away
his wife, but if he so chooses like Adam did, he may stay with her as well. But
whatever happens down the road is his problem then.
In Numbers 30: 1 And Moses spake unto the heads of the tribes concerning the
children of
Foreign Pastor statement.There is no such scripture
in the Bible and William Branham never taught such erroneous doctrine, that if
a woman commits adultery that a man must put her away in divorcement.
C.
Dr. Vayle says,“that Adam took back his wife and knew her, contrary to
Deuteronomy 24:1- 4”.
E.O.D.H. Answer: It
is unscriptural and erroneous to say that Adam’s sin was to take back his wife
after she committed adultery, especially based upon Deuteronomy 24: 1-4.
Based
upon this error, do you Brother Vayle and Brother Kocourek teach your followers
to divorce their wives on that ground?
If
not, you don’t believe your Philosophy. “If yes”, you are doing such contrary
to the message. Are all ministers under obligation to preach that doctrine? Do
you teach them so at your great gathering of ministers?
The
C.A.B. has already circled the globe and established that error since its
publication in 1965. If you do not believe that erroneous doctrine, practice it
and preach it, then correct it with humble repentance. Dr. Vayle, how many
family lives were destroyed by that error? Only eternity will unfold. This is not
a small matter but a destructive heresy. Who accounts to God for the woman’s
tears of repentance rejected by her Husband; also the tears, pains, sorrows and
life long damage of little children? End
of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek Response: Dear Foreign Pastor, I would like to ask you
this same question. How many families have been destroyed and how many children
have suffered because of your erroneous and loose teaching that allows women to
commit adultery if they only do it just once as you seem to say it no big deal.
How many families are destroyed by the adulterous woman who eats, wipes her mouth and says, I
have done no evil. End
of Pastor Kocourek Response:
Foreign Pastor statement. Dr.
Vayle’s Erroneous Answer Does Not Fit Deuteronomy 24:1-4. End of Foreign Pastor Statement.
Pastor Kocourek Response: Foreign Pastor, if you only understood
the doctrine you would be able to read the Word of God for what it is saying. I
will get into what this scripture that you are referring to says. But the quote
from the CAB does not say what Scripture it is referring to. End of Pastor Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor Statement. Adam did
not put away his wife Eve for uncleanness. In this case in the Garden of Eden,
Eve went out and had only one act
with the serpent.
Eve
did not go out and become married to
another man. The Serpent was not even a man.
The
serpent did not put away Eve in divorcement.
Adam
did not take back his wife in marriage, because she remained his wife after the
act.
It was a case of Eve
being deceived. It was a case of Eve having one act with the serpent and then a
second act with Adam. It was not a case of Eve being married to another man. It
was not a case of Eve getting a bill of divorcement. It was not a case of the
second husband putting her away and she then returning to her first husband.
End
of Foreign Pastor Statement.
Pastor Kocourek response: I am shocked
that you would take so lightly the fact that this woman committed adultery
against her husband. Only one act? You say?
And then you say she was only deceived as though she had no choice in
her actions. Don’t you realize that this one act caused all sickness, death and
destruction in the history of the world? I am really shocked my brother. Why do
you take this so lightly? What is your motive? How many lives have been
destroyed by your loose private interpretation of the Scriptures. How many
sisters who sit under your ministry have gone out and committed adultery
knowing that you make it easy for them to do so? And how many people do you
know personally that have been destroyed because of a man not taking back an
adulterous wife. You act as though the one doing the sinning is the man who
will not take back the adulterous wife. Brother you should have quit while you
were ahead. My goodness. End of Pastor Kocourek response:
Foreign Pastor Statement: If this teaching is right
then every man who follows this message whose wife commits adultery must be put
away beyond reconciliation; if not he repeats the same sin which caused Adam to
fall. I am saying that this doctrine is wrong. End of Foreign Pastor Statement:
Pastor Kocourek response: That is your
private interpretation, but not what is said in the church age book. The sin
that Adam fell was not taking back his wife, it was doing what he was commanded
not to do. End of Pastor Kocourek
response:
Foreign Pastor Statement: Now,
the scripture means exactly what it says in Deuteronomy 24. You cannot apply it
to Eve. The messenger said differently and opposite to Dr. Vayle and the church
age book. A question was asked the prophet concerning how to straighten an adulterous
matter and he answered as follow:
Husband can forgive his wife
Quote WMB: “Now, this person, if she's the one
that's guilty, she has did it; she went to her husband. Now, you've cleared
yourself, sister...You committed adultery against your husband. You went to
your husband and cleared yourself to your husband; then you went to the man and
the husband and cleared yourself there. You are clear. If your husband wants to
live with you, that's up to him. He don't have to do it now, but if he wants to
live with you and forgives you, then you be lady enough to never be guilty of
such a thing again. But if he doesn't forgive you, then that's his own business.
He can put you away. Exactly right.” (Questions
And Answers 64-0823e)
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 When a man hath taken a wife, and
married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because
he hath found some uncleanness
in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement,
and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is
departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the
latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in
her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which
took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take
her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination
before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy
God giveth thee for an inheritance. End of Foreign Pastor statement:
Pastor Kocourek response: My brother, first of all we must ask
ourselves what is this uncleanness, that bothers this man
enough to put his wife away.
Secondly this
scripture speaks of a bill of
divorcement that Jesus himself said was given to the people because of the
hardness of their hearts. But Jesus said, it wasn’t so from the beginning. In
the beginning there was one man and God made one woman for that one man. So to try to justify your doctrine on
something God gave the people out of the hardness of their heart is grasping
for straws. As brother Branham said, that is thinner than the broth made from the shadow of a
chicken that starved to death.
This
Scripture speaks of a man who marries a woman and then finds after they are
married that she is not a virgin, he has a right to put her away, and it says
then she is free to marry another.
Invisible union of the bride 65-1125 P:39 Now, I'm speaking, keep the church in mind while I'm
speaking this to the natural woman, as Paul is here, in the 7th chapter of
Romans. She has a sacred trust of virtue committed to her by her Lord: a
certain virtue. Nothing else holds it but a woman. That's right. That's
committed to her by God. She must not defile that virtue. If she even does something wrong, she must confess that to her husband
before he takes her; and make it right. Just the same as the church that
was married to the law has to come also before Christ, before the second
marriage; she has to confess that. If
she doesn't and she lives with her husband for ten years and then confesses it,
he has a right to put her away and marry another woman. That's the Scripture.
Fornication is unclean living."
Matthew 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then
command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He
saith unto them, Moses
because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:
but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And
I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall
marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away
doth commit adultery. 10 His disciples say
unto him, If the case of the man be so with his
wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto
them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
Matthew
5: 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give
her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for
the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall
marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Supernatural the 56-0129 P:47 The Pharisee said to
Jesus, said, "Why did Moses suffer a writing of divorcement?" Said,
"He did it because the hardness of your heart." Right. But it wasn't so from the beginning, never will be. God did it
because of the hardness of their heart. B
Marriage and divorce 65-0221M P:31 Jesus, in our text, invites us to go back to the
beginning for the true Scriptural answer. Now, when He was confronted with
this, there was two things in view. The priest said to Him, "Can a man put
away his wife, marry another for any cause?" And Jesus said, "It wasn't so from the beginning. "Then
they said, "Moses suffered us a writing of divorcement" (and to put
her away for anything they wanted to). He said that Moses did that because (I'm
letting that string awhile)--because of
the hardness of your hearts, but from, or at the beginning it wasn't so. End of Pastor Kocourek response:
Foreign Pastor Statement:The
Bible is specifically making reference to a woman that was divorced and became
the wife of another man by marriage. End of Foreign Pastor Statement:
Pastor Kocourek response: Foreign Pastor, you are wrong again on
this issue. It doesn’t say that she became the wife a second time, as you are
reading this. God’s Word does not fight His own Word. If he said a man that would
take another mans wife is guilty of adultery then why would Deuteronomy 24 say
it is ok for the first man to put her away and a second man could marry her and
that is not adultery? The reason is that this first man found out his wife was
not a virgin so that nullifies the marriage altogether as brother Branham
explains in the quotes I have given you in this discourse. So if they were not
married to begin with then she would be free to marry for the first time
legitimately, but not as a virgin. Then that second man who knew what she was took
her anyway, and then if he finds disfavour with her, and puts her away, then of
course she could not go back to the first man as the scripture so plainly
teaches. But since you do not understand the difference between fornication and
adultery, that is why you think it is ok for her to marry and divorce and marry
again. Now, my question to you is why did you not think of this when you wrote
your nasty words about brother Vayle condemning him for being guilty in your
eyes of spreading false doctrine. You are guilty of teaching in error, not
Brother Branham who authored the Church Age Book Himself. And to top it off,
your attack was not even against brother Vayle, but you are guilty of attacking
brother Branham whom you claim to believe. Did not that the Pharisees do that
to Jesus, They claimed to believe all the prophet’s but when God came down as
the God-Prophet they turned him down not even knowing who it was that they were
fighting against. End of Pastor
Kocourek response:
Foreign Pastor Statement:
The second man that she married had to put her away and also give her a bill of
divorcement and under those conditions she could not return to the first
husband. If the first husband had taken her back it was an abomination in the
sight of God. Dr. Vayle misinterpreted Deuteronomy 24: 1-4. It is in opposition
to the message and the prophet. This is how the prophet applied the law.
Divorced,
remarried woman – don’t go back and take her
Quote:
678-Q-159 159. Brother Branham, I was married to a
woman that had been married before. We
divorced, and she has been married twice since. The Bible states that if we
desire to marry... to turn to... first wife. Now, could I turn to her who has
been married before or could I be free? Well now, my brother, here's the only
way that you could do it... Jesus said in Matthew 5, “...whosoever marries her
that is put away liveth in adultery." So don't do that. No, you cannot go back to your first wife
if she's been married again. ...No, sir. Get over in the Levitical laws. You go back to that woman, she's somebody
else's property. You've defiled and made yourself worse off than ever. No,
you should not take a wife back who's been married to somebody else...you don't
go back again. No, sir. She's married to somebody else; stay away from
her...Don't you go back and take that woman when she's been married two or
three times since she married you. That's wrong. (Questions And Answers COD
61-1015M).
I
am anxious to see how you and Dr. Vayle would defend yourselves against the exposition of this gross error that
was injected into the C.A.B. Perhaps you may choose to ask me in defence, what
is the sin that Adam committed. That would not justify your erroneous teaching.
It may help you to dodge the issue. I would prefer to hold my peace on that
question until the right time. Because of the ignorance of Dr. Vayle on that
question, he perverted Deuteronomy 24: 1-4 and formulated several heresies upon
the subject of marriage and divorce. End
of Foreign Pastor Statement:
Pastor Kocourek responds: Foreign
Pastor, since you wish to use the law to justify your position, then take all
the law as it is written.
Leviticus 20: 10 And the man that committeth adultery with another
man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the
adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. So if the adulterer and adulteress are
to be stoned, then how is it possible for her to come back to him. Your
Scriptures just do not line up, and Scripture does not fight Scripture my brother, but because you misunderstand the
application of them you think them to be contrary. But God is not the author of
confusion. That is why he said, Isaiah 55: 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are
your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my
ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. End of Pastor Kocourek response.
Foreign Pastor states:
It is very hard for internationally, famous, men to humble themselves when
corrected by a little, nobody. Your attitude to this exposition will reveal
your respect to the Word and message of Brother Branham.
It
will also prove your sincerity to your published policy in answering questions.
End of Foreign Pastor statement.
Pastor Kocourek responds. Yes, Foreign
Pastor, and it is true that humility is the first basis of any true calling,
and that is why after having shown you the error in your judgment concerning
who the author and editor of the Church Age Book is, I am asking that you come
down from your lofty perch and humble yourself and admit the errors that you
have broadcast throughout the world via your books and website concerning this
matter. I have enjoyed many of your writings, but the errors I saw on your
website and the personal attack on Rev. Vayle because your man did not
thoroughly explain himself when calling, and you forget Br. Vayle is a man that
will soon be 94 years old, and in showing no respect for this man of God, I
contacted you and this forum has begun.
Brother Branham condemned
men who would attack others who are trying to serve God, and for their own
personal interests they would try to smear the good name of God’s servants. My
brother it is one thing to preach against sin, but when you cross the line by
trying to destroy individuals, you are going to find yourself fighting against
God. Brother Branham said in his sermon,
We would see Jesus
57-0226 P:36 A few days ago I read an
article, "McCalls" magazine, and how it was criticizing some of the
men on the field, praying for the sick. And I was in the city where this editor
lived. And I said, "These men might deserve some of that criticism,
especially on the money and so forth. They might deserve it. I'm ashamed to say
it, but they probably do. I'm not the boss." But I said, "I'd like to
ask this to that editor. If these men in their mistakes are trying to get
something done for God, what's he doing for the
Supernatural the 56-0129
P:27 A certain man wrote an
article about me not long ago, which is perfectly all right; I love him. I
don't say that to be a hypocrite; I say it because it's the truth. John Church,
you Nazarene people's man... He said... He wrote against Divine healing. He
said, "One of their key men, Mr. Branham," said, "I've never met
the man in my life." And to think
of a sensible man writing an article about a person he had never spoke to in
his life. That shows there's something wrong. Our law says, "How can
we judge a man without we hear him first." He said, "I don't know the man, never heard, never seen him in my
life.
I will be
praying for your repentance my brother from your attacks which you never
bothered to find out the truth of the Church Age Book, and as brother Branham
said, when you attack a man based on assumptions, and you have not even
bothered to check your facts, then what else did you write in error. What else
is a lie? As a result you have been teaching heresies and blasting innocent
people and you have actually been fighting against God’s anointed prophet not
even knowing who you were fighting against. Man are you in trouble brother. If
it were me in your shoes I would first of all write an apology to brother
Vayle, and then post it on my website for all to know, and take off every last
one of your misconstrued and dislocated and misplaced statements based on your
lack on knowing the facts. I pray that God will forgive you. If you repent my
brother I will be the first to forgive you, because I actually like you and
have hoped for a good relationship with you and if you recall I contacted you
first and told you how that I appreciated your defence of the Message, but now
when you turn it to one who worked so closely with Br. Branham and use a false
understanding of the authorship of the Church Age Book to make your attack,
instead of looking at your own lack of
understanding the doctrine in the Church Age Book and asking God to help
you to better understand it. And all because of things you most likely heard by
those in error, and then you taught the error yourself. And brother if you did
not even know who wrote the Church Age Book, that is why you went off on a
wrong tangent and that is why your doctrine is wrong. Had you believed the
authorship of that book, your doctrine would be right today and we would not
have had this discourse. End of Pastor
Kocourek’s Response.